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Feb. 12th, 2004 09:11 am (UTC)
I agree 10000000% (and then some). I've had many gay and lesbian friends over the years, and a lot of them want the same things 'traditional couple' want.

Laws that ban same-sex marriage have nothing to do with morals, it's about money. Sanctioning gay couples allows them to the same Social Security and property rights as striaght couples. Using religion is just a crutch to try and justify their actions.

There is one small flaw in the religious argument. Torah (that's the Old Testament for non-Jews reading this) defines marriage as a civil arrangement - not a religious ceremony. The groom signs a contract and pays a 'bride price', and that's that.

Another thing to note about the Bible and homosexuality. The Bible says nothing about lesbianism. The passage in Deutoronomy that addresses homosexuality only addresses male-male relationships. The next line deals with beasiality and explicitly mentions men and women.

Also take into context that in Biblical Times, male-male sex was used in religious cerimonies, and the prohabition against gay sex was put into place to prevent the Children of Israel from engaging in idolatry. These religions are ong dead, and we know a lot more about biology and now know that most homosexuals are born that way.

Feb. 12th, 2004 09:31 am (UTC)
Difference between Civil Unions and Traditional Marriage?
Let me start by saying I think Gays and Lesbians and Bisexuals and Even transgendered people should be able to marry who they want.

However, I am still not clear on the difference between Civil Unions and Traditional Marriage.

Marriage technically started out as an economic / civil contract for purposes of combining resources and forming alliances.

Later it became about love and religious symbolism.

It is a ridiculous bit of logic that these crackpots take regarding that Gay Marriage will lead to polygamy or folks marrying their dogs or dead people or brothers or sisters...

Polygamy aside it is ridiculous to run down that path .. that just SHOWS how much afraid they are in general.

Polygamy is perhaps another issue

If we are talking about money and economics then we need to investigate all the straight people who marry for economic reasons who never had plans to procreate. etc...

I mean the arguments against gay marriage are SOOO ridiculous and illogical..

And the thing is is that in some cultures brothers and sisters can marry espeically if you are rich! Cousins marry....

They are just hypocrites


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Feb. 12th, 2004 11:10 am (UTC)
I don't mean to be the bearer of cynicism, sarcasm, and irony, but I don't believe in the whole legal aspect of marriage. Especially considering we have shows like the bachelorette, the bachelor, who wants to marry a millionare, etc. and that the divorce rate is something around 50%

But, yeah, I'm all for equal rights :)
Feb. 12th, 2004 11:49 am (UTC)
yeah, marriage is a bit old time like the feudal system, but in present day USA, I really want to see it happen as I don't like this King over constitution thing.

Bush is acting a bit like Henry the 5th, actually.
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